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- From: myrjola@news.lut.fi (Mika Yrj|l{)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.programmer,comp.sys.amiga.games,alt.sys.amiga.demos,in,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.hardware,comp.sys.amiga.misc,comp.sys.amiga.graphics
- Subject: Re: AB3D II beats Quake....
- Date: 27 Mar 1996 16:53:32 +0200
- Organization: Lappeenranta University of Technology, Finland
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- I'm not a computer genius, but wanted to put my nose into this, so:
-
- bizzetti@mbox.vol.it (Fabio Bizzetti) writes:
-
-
- >Hey! This sounds like PC: spend a lot of money every month.
- >No, thanks. You dont get it, but you're talking about PC's of today thinking
- >about PowerAmiga.
-
- No-one forces anyone to upgrade the GFX cards, but what is bad if it is
- at least possible unlike upgrading for eg. from OCS to AGA??
-
- >It will become like for the A1200's games market: only unexpanded A1200's
- >games because most of people have this system. For the PowerAmiga, since
- >the "race to buy the latest 3D card" doesn't fit well with Amiga users,
- >but only with PC users, will mean that the game for PowerAmiga will all
- >be optimized for the lamest gfx board: meaning even worse games than AGA.
-
- Uh? The games aren't too optimized for different graphics cards on PC
- world as far as I've seen; it makes a big difference what card it contains.
-
- >I am pissing off now, just remembering how the gurus of graphics.library
- >optimized its functions. I could rewrite it 10 times faster (no joke), and
- >I would still consider it as crap relatively to the performances it could/
- >should reach without a generic OS/API.
-
- Hmm, you could do that with 'tame' programming? If so, contact AT and
- give them a show of that, I guess they could use your skill and you their
- money? ;)
-
- >The problem is this.
- >The budget.
-
- I agree totally...
-
- >Standard chipsets? They all suck.
- >You can say they're good only if you compare them to OCS.
-
- But what if that specific chipset design couldn't be made in the future
- any better? Then you would have to learn totally new chip inside out? Can
- you be sure that if AT would make a total killer chipset for year or two,
- they could surely improve it in the future??? At some point that would be
- impossible, and then we would be stuck with *that*, nothing old couldn't
- work with it. I don't think that as a good future either... :(
-
-
- >Sure, typical Basic/Pascal/C++ "programmer" thought.
- >Basic/Pascal/C++ "programmers" dont even know how a computer works inside.
-
- >Mah! this is all sad indeed..
-
- I don't want to offend, but can you be sure that you know everything
- perfectly, and everyone else is surely wrong? I think that everyone has
- some blind spot, I surely have noticed myself having such... ;)
- (I can believe you could code better stuff in 5 minutes than I in five
- days, that is something I don't have any trouble believing...)
-
- >Because standard chips suck so much compared to custom chipsets, that making
- >today a *wise* chipset, you could use it for 5 years, and plan hardware
- >compatibility since NOW.
-
- Hmm, explain some more things that suck so much in current chipsets, in
- more detail. I don't know if I understand neccessarily everything, but
- I'm sure that it would clear the things for people who know more than I...
-
- >Who damn wants only the OS? The OS must serve the computer ( = HARDWARE ),
- >not viceversa. You're a bit confused.
-
- Would you think it would be bad if there would be version of AmigaOS
- which would run on PCs? If yes, why? That would give more people
- possibility to know about Amiga. UAE can probably do that, but OS
- wouldn't hurt anyone on PC, I think?
-
- >Yeah, cool!!!!
- >An OS written all in C!!!!
- >WOW!!!!!
- >Why dont we write it in Basic? So I can run AmigaOS in my pocket calculator
- >and *PLAY* with it.
-
- Come on, isn't it enough if the most time-critical and used parts of OS
- are done in native assembler and the rest in C? Will the performance hit
- be that bad then? Just think how long AmigaOS would have taken to
- develope if it would have been done in pure assembler? We'd be having
- 2.04 in the best case now, probably 1.3!
-
- >"rape them"??
- >programming a chip directly is the most lovely and grateful thing you can do
- >to it. Using a fucking fascist OS isn't.
-
- This starts to sound religious, come on...
-
- >C is slow as hell, and if you say "it's fast enough with a 700Mhz CPU" then
- >I tell you that also assembly becomes faster with the 700Mhz CPU.
- >You're running away from your shadow: ASM will always be losta faster and
- >better than C.
-
- Faster yes, but better is a subjective thing. If you'd have no time
- limits, sure... But program a big OS in assembler and wait 2-3 times
- longer?
-
- Mika
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